Nepoznaná História

Sem by sme mohli dávať všetko čo sa tíka HÚNOV. Napr.
www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/301183?ui...4&sid=21102670506101

čo ma zaujalo z textu -genealógia GÔTSKEHO rodu ..so Slovanskými menami..

Aj stotožňovanie Hunského vodcu BALAMERA s VALAMIROM je zaujímavé..od Anglosasov.Jedine neznalosť Slovänských mien ich ospravedlňuje , že sa nedali správnou cestou, alebo ,,?

(toto neviem , kde som stiahol...je to dávno.)


Xiong-Nu
Xiong-Nu (匈奴; meaning Xiong's Slaves, Xiong being a Chinese transliteration of a national name but also meaning 'savage/raucous/ferocious') was the term given by the Chinese to nomadic tribes on their northern boarder under the control of the Xion of Trans-Jaxartes perhaps based around Sibir on the Irtysh.
Variations include: Hun-no, Xiung-Nu, Hsiong-Nu, Hsiung-Nu, Hiung-No.
The "奴" tribes and affected statelets included:

xian3 yun3
Tuoba or Wei (倭)
Hsien-pei (鮮卑),
Hui2he2 (回紇) or Wei-ho, Yuan-ho, Uighurs
Tangut(黨項)
The ancestors of the Mongols (蒙古)
Wusun 烏孫 or A-se-na(阿史那)
Tu-chuen/Tu2jue2(突厥)
Hua (滑) & Hephthal (厭達)
Nuu3zhen1 (女眞)
The ancestors of the Man3zhou1 ren2 (滿洲人) or Man3 ren2 (滿人)
Ding1ling2 (丁零)
Gao1che1/Cossakh Tolos/Teli (高車)
Shu1le4 (疏勒)
Tunghu (東胡),
Wuhuan (烏桓),
the ancestors of the Goran or Khitan (契丹) (契丹) (Qi4dan1)
(丙寅)
(鐵勒)
(奚)
(室韋)
(靺鞨)
(西域諸國)
They also exerted some influence over
Sogdiana (康居),
Kashmir/Ta-yuan/Dawan (大苑)
initially Indoscythia's Kushans (貴霜) when they were known as Yuezhi (月氏)
Alan-liao (阿蘭聊) i.e Alans of Yancai (奄蔡 ?Vast Steppes?)
Kangju (康居)
After the Xion lost political control in the 4thC, there was a brief period of confusion until many of these former serf tribes came together again under Yuyon organisation.
An entry in a Chinese dictionary says Xiongnu (Xiong1nu2), (匈奴) n., The Huns, Mongolian tribes in northeastern China and Mongolia, historically under various names (玁狁 xian3 yun3, 匈奴 xiong1 nu2, and 胡 hu2) 1000 B.C. to 6th cen. A.D. In the 4th, 5th and 6th centuries, five northern tribes, including Tartars, Mongols, Turkics invaded and occupied North China. These tribes are categorically labelled hu2 di2 (胡狄), such period is referred to as "Five barbarian tribes' invasion of China" (五胡亂華) by Chinese historians. By the 6th century, the term hu2 simply means the barbarian invaders including more than the Huns). Sentences in parentheses are highly disputable.
In fact, the 匈 must not be confused with their 奴. The first reference to the 'Savage' ones in Chinese records is when Chunwei (chinese characters are missing) the son of the last Xia (夏) emperor Jie returned with 500 members of his 夏 nation to his relatives the 匈 after his father was removed because of his decadent ways.
The Chinese historians' definition of "Five barbarian tribes' invasion of China" (五胡亂華) never included Tartars, Mongols and Turkics. Hu (胡,Hu2) was a collective noun for non-Chinese tribes in China. The word Tungus derives from Tong (eastern) Hu (barbarian?). Di (狄,di2) specified to those lively in Northern China, as in the famous term: Rong Yi Man Di (戎夷蠻狄(?), rong2 yi2 man2 di2) which depicted all non-Chinese tribes living around China. Note that all four characters rong2 yi2 man2 di2 were all collective nouns for non-Chinese tribes. They are not names of individual tribes.

"In the 4th, 5th and 6th centuries, five northern tribes, including Tartars, Mongols, Turkics invaded and occupied North China. These tribes are catagorically labelled hu2 di2...."
hu2 di2 means non-Chinese tribes living in Northern China. The composition of Tartars and Mongols and Turkics etc., in hu2 di2 is pretty arbitrary, and cannot be supported by historical evidence. If one wants to refer to those five non-Chinese tribes who "invaded" China, it is better to use the term Wu Hu.

Similarly, in the past some Chinese historians have depicted "Hu" as the equivalence of "Xiongnu" or Huns. For examply the Xiongnu/Huns had already ceased top exist by the time of Mulan. It would have been Turks that she had to deal with. This terminology is outdated and no longer used by current researchers. As noted above, "Hu" is a collective noun. This should be kept in mind when one comes across any old or traditional Chinese historical text.

Huni boli aj "Lebkouni" podobne, ako Aztékovia, istý čas Teutóni a samozrejme mimozemšťania...

Niečo podobné sa našlo aj u nás a tím myslím aj hneď za hranicou-rekonštrukcia

trochu mapiek

Na juhu Sibíri v Buriatsku, kde sa za starých čias zrodilo impérium Hunov, sa v rámci UNESCO realizuje unikátny projekt. V metropole tejto republiky obnovujú mesto Hunov. Na pevnosť so všetkými jej stavbami vydelili 17 hektárov v centre Ulan-Ude.

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slovak.ruvr.ru/2011/10/31/59656686.html

Už hodil info Ivko vo vlákne o Tatároch.+ vraj sa k Hunom hlási aj Štefan Sekáč (Segal) Je to len zneužitie histórie na turistickú atrakciu. Huni sa rozplinuli v Teutónoch , Ukrajincoch a samozrejme aj na oboch stranách hraníc s Čínou.V podstate aj skupina pošahancov u nás sa môže hlásiť k Hunom. Maďari to už robia...

Navyše -podobne , ako akákoľvek obrovská armáda - vojsko "Hunov" bolo konglomerátom množstva viac či menej príbuzných ale asi väčšinou nepríbuzných kmeňov a národíkov od Bajkala po strednú Áziju.Koľko myslíte , že bolo britov v Britskej koloniálnej armáde? Asi toľko ako rimanov v Rímskych légiách v najväčom rozmachu impéria, alebo dokonca mongolov v ČINGIZ CHÁNOVEJ armáde.Hunov tam tiež nebolo veľa.

Zato Buriati a Baškiri spolu s inými občanmi Cárskeho Ruska bojovali v Cárskom vojsku s Napoleónom a v Sovietskej armáde s Hitlerom...

Poopravím: Stevan Seagal sa hlási k Rusom( !!!) a k Buriatom, po svojom dedovi. A až následne sa v článkoch píše, že dnešný národ Buriatov sa priznáva, že nadväzuje na Hunov.
Vec je vo vývoji, Steven Seagal má svoju vlastnú stránku na internete, kto je dobrý v angličtine - by nám o tom mohol povedať viac, ak si preloží info priamo "od Števa".
Teda Števo sa hlási k Rusom - nie ani tak k ruskej národnosti, ale k ruskému impériu,( k ruskej duchovnosti), v rámci ktorého žili a žijú Buriati.Viac teoretizovať nechcem, nebudem si vymýšľať.

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Súhlasím, a mám to z ruských zdrojov, že v hunskej armáde bolo veliteľské tvrdé jadro z Hunov (spomínajú sa Modrí Huni), a možno 90 % vojakov boli iné národy, ako sú hunské...

Hun -výtvarná rekonštrukcia podložená hrobovými nálezmi - Zabajkalie.